Tarry for the Nonce

November 9, 2005

Patriotes Seulement

Filed under: News — lmwalker @ 3:01 pm

Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy is expelling the rioters from France:

Mr Sarkozy told MPs that non-French nationals – “not all of whom are here illegally” – had been convicted of taking part in the attacks.

“I have asked the prefects to deport them from our national territory without delay, including those who have a residency visa,” he said.

As previously noted by Toly Delm, blaming the Parisian riots on so-called third-generation immigrants seems absurd on its face, but Jean-Marie Le Pen is taking it to the next level:

Le Pen said people with immigrant backgrounds who commit crimes should be stripped of their French nationality and sent “back to their country of origin.”

Reminded that the vast majority of youths taking part in the arson and rioting are French, born in France to immigrant parents, he said: “What does that mean? Are they French because they have a French identity card?”

French nationality should be given only to those who ask for it and “who are worthy of it,” he said. “Those who got nationality automatically, who don’t consider themselves French and who even say publicly that they consider France their enemy should not be treated as French.”

Just think: if Americans were to adopt this attitude, our prisons, our universities – and Hollywood, for that matter – would be deserted.

So will any Democrat be willing to criticize the French now?

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5 Comments

  1. The best statement I ever heard on this matter still rings true years later. When Madeleine Albright was a young Nazi refugee, in Europe she was asked when she would be returning home, and in America, she was asked when she would become a citizen.

    That simple statement still rings incredibly true to me today, and I think the older French leaders on a substantive level really, really just don’t get it. Those people are in their country to stay, and they can either be given solid educations with which they can puruse a middle class lifestyle, start businesses, and send their children to better schools than those that they attended, or they can be ostracized, denied opportunity and forever compartmentalized, which will only foment into rage, violence, and… basically what you have now.

    The Europeans just don’t get the whole assimilation thing, and I think this is where France’s long term self-concept and its modern reality are strongly at odds with each other, and what we’re seeing is some powerful denial by idiots who have no appreciation for the fact that they’re one suitcase bomb away from having to rethink everything.

    Comment by Matt — November 9, 2005 @ 3:50 pm

  2. Just to add, I think the basic problem lies in their definition of citizenship. Here in America, I think that being an American doesn’t mean being of a particular skin color, ethnicity, or religious background, but what it does mean is subscribing to a basic set of beliefs and values, much of which is translated through our public education system, which in theory if not in practice is supposed to give every child regardless of the circumstances of their birth a decent start in life. Since the French don’t even do that, and haven’t done that for years, it’s not much surprise that they have such problems.

    Comment by Matt — November 9, 2005 @ 3:54 pm

  3. Actually, the French, if anything, are far more aggressive in demanding that new arrivals become “French” — i.e. take on French names, be secular in outlook, stop wearing religious headgear in schools, etc. Nor am I aware of any gaps in educational opportunities provided to the Parisiens du Nord. What the French don’t do is reward assimilation — with genuine acceptance of assimilated arrivals as “French” or a plethora of economic opportunities.

    The latter they can’t do because of the problems with their economy extensively documented elsewhere. The former, because unlike the definition of an “American,” the definition of someone who is “French” implies a certain ethnic background, any progressive attempts to pretend otherwise notwithstanding.

    That having been said: I agree with the Le Pen here. (Though overall, I think he’s a worthless demagogue — but hey, stopped clock, twice a day, etc.) I am far from convinced that France has any obligation at all to its immigrants. They came as “guests,” and clearly, the French still consider them “guests.” If the guests are unhappy, they can leave. If they misbehave, they can be booted out. With its huge unemployment rates, France is clearly not in need of more warm bodies. If someone doesn’t consider himself French, there is no point in keeping them around to wreak havoc and take up space.

    Comment by Toly — November 9, 2005 @ 9:25 pm

  4. So colleges and Hollywood would be deserted? Well then, let’s hope that certain elements don’t get their way and criminalize dissent.

    Prisons? I don’t think felons have political views one way or another, Republican party members aside (‘natch).

    Comment by Howard — November 13, 2005 @ 10:44 am

  5. Well then, let’s hope that certain elements don’t get their way and criminalize dissent.

    Ah yes, the age-old lefy shriek that criticizing them is stifling — or now criminalizing — dissent. Yes, the U.S. will be raiding Hollywood and filling up the gulags aaaaaany time now…

    Prisons? I don’t think felons have political views one way or another, Republican party members aside (‘natch).

    Uhh, which Republican party members have been convicted of felonies of late? …Oh, sorry, didn’t mean to criminalize your dissent, Howard. Just ramble on.

    Comment by Toly — November 15, 2005 @ 9:35 pm


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